Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. Where as the constellation/kosmosima grips where designed with twisting in mind. Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. A weekly roundup of the best things from Polygon, By submitting your email, you agree to our, Theres a new challenger in the world of flight sticks and throttles, Sign up for the Still other manufacturers are taking pre-orders, and then banging out new units as quickly as they can. The MCG Pro also has the brake axis and technically the flip-up trigger is ALSO an axis although more often used as a couple of different buttons. What little product is actually available even used equipment is going for wildly inflated prices. Good news for fans of Microsoft Flight Simulator, Elite Dangerous, and Star Citizen. Everything about it is perfect. 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? Initially it was all a bit daunting but after a fair bit of reading various threads this is where I'm at A bit about my requirements - Got to be desktop based. You'll see I haven't even mapped the 2nd choice analog features of the top MCG hat on the right hand, ran out of needalso have some repeats left and right in case I get confused in heat of moment. With those limitations in mind, I still cant help but recommend Virpil. Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. If you buy something from a Polygon link, Vox Media may earn a commission. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. > Pictures If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. When it comes to calibration and programming, you will similarly need to find your own way with the community of users on YouTube and on message boards as Virpil offers next to no help in getting things squared away. This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. You can blame Microsoft Flight Simulator for the flight stick shortage were experiencing. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. The only other thing up in the same price and perhaps build quality (I don't truly know about them either other than what I've read here, they're trying at least) is Winwing but their stick option is much more limited in overall controls. Ive had a pretty good experience with the Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals for the last few years, but they hang from a large central column that takes up a lot of space in my office. My favorite set of kit is called the Virpil Constellation Alpha, which, when coupled with a throttle, does an admirable job of controlling commercial aircraft. 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I'm in a similar boat to you. Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. If youre stuck on Microsoft Flight Simulator especially the big commercial airliners give Honeycomb Aeronautical a try. VIRPIL hardware key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out, https://virpil.freshdesk.com/en/supes/47000029808-vpc-software-quick-start-guide, HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick - Thrustmaster - Technical support website, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/controls-not-sticking.558432/#post-8792964. Jmo I just received my left handed Virpil Alpha and its one of the best gaming peripherals Ive ever had. If so, how and what programs? After nearly a decade of watching modest, incremental improvements in the space its nice to see a manufacturer innovating with their flight sticks. Whoa wait, you're saying on the ultimate you don't need to take apart the case to change from mini joystick to 4 way hat? Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. newsletter. ED doesn't 'see' any controllers using the bindings files, check whether you can actuallly bind any of the controls to an action and then create your own bindings file. In terms of bases I like my VKB base a bit more than my Vipril base. Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). Both multiple cam and spring force options. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. I would not have thought there were no set binds for those devices, and its up to your personal preference to programme in. > Reviews I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. That's weird because normally a USB 3 controller can supposedly support up to 127 devices. I also have smallish hands and found that VKB is better suited to my hands and more ergonomically designed. The VKB software also allows an enormous amount of customization like a shift key action to double up on everything or (what I find sufficient) a 'tempo' function so a quick tap vs. a longer press has 2 different operations for buttons or certain hat positions. Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. After plenty of research my decision has come down to either Virpil - VPC WarBRD base with Constellation Alpha stick, VKB - Gunfighter MK.III base with SCG (Kosmosima) stick, VKB - Gladiator NXT (for the benefit of any noobs like me, this is a base and includes the SCG Kosmosima stick). It may not display this or other websites correctly. My x55 stick looks like it's reached the end of it's life and I'm looking for a new stick first then we'll see. Money isn't really an issue for me. All rights reserved The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. I have a Virpil cm2 throttle and a vkb gladiator nxt. They have adopted the Thrustmaster Warthog connector and improved it while staying backwards compatible. Yes I followrd their guide. I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. Maybe you should check out youtube and see the posts about how to do the setup. Thank you guys for the help. Generally you will find that Virpil is considered the top dog in the mid-range sim gear bracket. And, just like everyone else, Virpils stuff is on backorder as well. I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. Have you tried each device individually with nothing else plugged in? Ace pedals also have a much better mounting solution, in my opinion, compared to the TPR pedals. > DIY It functions great and feels great. Have a look through the Virpil forums. Press J to jump to the feed. This applies to the connector between grip and base. Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. I would think it should be enough. I used this for my warthog. Overall, I'd recommend VKB for quality and performance. Previously I had played spaceflight simulation games with a single stick and throttle, which is known as a hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) setup. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. A good USB powered hub should help with this. In term of quality, feel and performance? You can also remove about an inch of height from the pedals, stripping off the rubber feet and the entire lower frame, to attach them directly to a custom flight seat. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) By The products are engineered solid and no-bullshit. If you go with a HOTAS solution instead, making use of one of Virpils fully-customizable throttle boxes, youll need a slightly larger version of the clamp and a special adapter plate. Ultimately, it's likely either VKB or Vipril gear will work great for you and you'll be more than happy with either. The VKB is slightly more refined whilst the Virpil is heavier duty. Right? Toe in and out being the most prominent I can see. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. JavaScript is disabled. A lot cheaper and for someone that isn't hardcore into tons of flying will be more than sufficient. Something went wrong. So I did that, but two things happened: one was checking in Windows, I saw THREE T-50 CM throttles, although ED now could see all the panel buttons and switches. Complete your WWII Flight Sim setup with this GNX Combo Throttle If you fly helos, you will fall in love with this. Out of the box, Virpils large, grippy rubber feet stay put on most surfaces. You basically have the exact situation as me, except that I am using detachable desktop mounts to put the stick and throttle at a better hight for my arms, which I can then move them out of the way after play, like you had to. There's only so much your thumb can roam around and do. The Gunfighter is apparently available so even though I probably don't need it, common sense might desert me and I'll plump for the pricier option just because I cant wait. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Price isn't the issue as much as quality for me. You're not running all your USB devices through the one hub are you? But now Im able to use the two sticks twist axes to handle strafing (right) and moving up and down (left). They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. I do find VKB to do much nicer and cleaner internal work which matters if or when you have to open up your grip. Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. You all have inspired me to investigate higher quality gear for my flight sim time. It's easy! Here's my mapping for Elite, perhaps a little out of date re: some of the macros I mentioned above, and admittedly I use my LH stick weird (sideways oriented as a throttle) so I've converted an axis to 'relative' mode with a button as reset, which removes it from use as a button in-game. https://1drv.ms/p/s!AuHD2NL7qn3w3gxZVfByQOacohmx?e=RhWkjj. Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. Probably a little bit of a chore to swap them out. I currently have a T.16kM HOTAS setup and am looking to upgrade the flightstick first and eventually move over to a HOSAS setup. Just got the Virpil Constellation Alpha-R grip with the Warbrd base, as well as the 50 CM2 throttle and elite doesn't see any Virpil hardware. Both companies use high quality metal gimbals and contactless sensors for axes. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. All rights reserved. But as far as quality of the gimbals, both are fantastic. They are both superb bits of kit though and you will not regret buying either. Between the WarBRD and Gunfighter options it really seems to come down to personal preference and I'll never know without putting my hands on each. Maybe you should try moving some to other ports on your computer if you haven't tried that yet. The full analog mini on both (plus the option of the second which is switchable from digital hat to analog on the fly on the MCG Pro) offers additional axes besides the main X/Y. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy (~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. Plus half of what I would need from VKB is out of stock. I have a warthog here, definitely above other sticks I owned, I feel like Virpils are too. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy(~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Cookie Notice Both can be gotten with twist. Im looking at either going the virpil mongoos T-50 CM2 base with the mongoos T-50 CM2 grip or constellation alpha grip with the 200mm S curve extension for 554.81 euro (905.89 aud) (includes shipping). (The Alpha-R is on backorder along with the MongoosT-50CM2 grip as well). However, worse was that ED (and Il-2 and DCS) now do not recognize any of the axes on the throttle. How easy was the software to learn? By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. VIRPIL hardware - key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out From scanning the reddit here it seems that VKB and Virpil seem to have similar quality and satisfaction from those who have bought, so after that it really does come down to how it feels in your hand and actually trying out the buttons and the layout, which is something you dont get to try until youve already made a decision and honestly something that others cant help with. But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. I have a Virpil setup. What I've put together is a bit of how I use. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. This is significant. That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? It may take time. The scissors gimbal is not very pleasant around center. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. For using the Warthog grip, the easier to work with would be the Virpil base, as it uses the same pinout/connections. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. Virpil also may be a little easier to get your hands on sooner rather than later. 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