Thats why I said may have been. Whether that particular moment in time was, in fact, the moment that Priscilla was introduced to false doctrine and false teachers can be debated, but the fact of the matter is that she came under the influence of false teachers at some point and still unequally yokes herself to them and teaches false doctrine today. She seems somewhat self righteous. Ive heard her recommend Christian women to go to a quiet place to pray. #4a- Unfortunately, most people do read themselves into Scripture (largely due to being taught that way by false teachers such as the aforementioned and many others), but that doesnt mean its the correct way to study Scripture. Are you into apologetics or something? Certainly. B. Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) Wow, I found Ms. Shirers book Fervent very helpful and uplifting. Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. I think youll also find my article Is She a False Teacher? (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. Can you please provide a list of female speakers/writers whom you do recommend? Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. Thank you! Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. 3. September 1, 2002 Grace&Peace in Christ brother travis & sister tori, Thanks so much, Travis. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. THIS PRACTICE WAS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE EARLY CHURCH. Armor of God Workbook with Video Access I am a born again Christian. I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. Where does the Bible teach this? I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). Rebekah gave the servant water but also volunteered to water the 10 camels as well. Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. You are spot on. Im so happy for you that you have a discerning pastor. It does NOT say, and be baptist. (This is where the video above ends. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. Did anything frighten you this morning? read more, Scripture: Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). Scroll up to the top of the page and click on the Recommended Bible Teachers tab. (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. That preaching to and teaching men is a violation of Scripture is also not an accusation, but a statement of fact. Ive read her own account explaining this. If you need more examples, simply go to YouTube and type Priscilla Shirer sermon into the search bar. Here are my 2.1. Now, I believe I have clearly answered all of your questions both here, in the article, and in the Additional Resources section, so let me add just one extra thing. GOING BEYOND THE DUTY CALL AND WHAT IS EXPECTED! The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. Examples: when we 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his If it were, Paul, Jude, Peter, and even Jesus would be guilty of that sin. My co-leader read your thoughts about Priscilla and I presented your views to the members of our study. read more, Scripture: Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. Michelle, what do you think about this article? So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. But growth to spiritual maturity through the study of Gods word and faithful obedience to Him isnt what Priscilla is offering through this study. I think you are judging and do not agree with you. This article is more along the lines of a court case where youre on the jury and Im showing you the evidence of Priscilla Shirer breaking the law. Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. Either way, while it is fine to fellowship and join with people of other denominations who hold to biblical doctrine (I have plenty of friends, and listen to plenty of teachers, outside of my own denomination, but they all teach and conduct themselves in line with the Bibles teachings. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, but in my mind, if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Im surprised to hear thats her position. What is your belief regarding Israel and the plan God has for the future of Israel? http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. And the Bible says that women are not to preach to or instruct men, or to hold authority over men in the gathered body of Believers, the church. Id be delighted to hear back from you, Elizabeth. Thank you, Michelle! He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. read more, Scripture: Priscillas friendliness and genuine care for Christian women seem to shine throughevery word she speaks and writes. Could it be that, as Ms. Shirer, writes in the book Fervent once again Satan is working to confuse and stir up evil among believers? Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. It often times fails. Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. If your ladies need a doctrinally sound Bible study in the future, theyre welcome to use anything under the Bible studies tab at the top of this page. Then why did you ask me any questions? In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. I think you might find this brief video helpful as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_THJXignk. Even if shes twisted. Evangelical Dark Web. - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. Go beyond our fears. Have women not been given a part in The Great Commission from Jesus? My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. And, sometimes, basic is enough. And to top that all off, shes beautiful and sharp as a tack. Heres just one example of Priscilla preaching to men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps. It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. but i will look to the word of God , and i will talk to my pastor. Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. Im pretty sure some of our ladies are going to ask me where the evidence is that she was purposely teaching scripture to men. Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! Notice the emphasis around the 1:37 mark on peoples personal experiences (praying for miracles, etc.) I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. Heres why: 1. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. After a bit of research on Ms. Shirer, Im determined that shes one to beware of. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. It does NOT say, and be baptist. You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. Thats a rare find these days. Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: If a pastor (or husband- Beth has also said she is acting under her husbands mantle of authority) tries to give her that authority, he is putting himself in the place of God who has prohibited it and he is sinning, too. Remember, the Bible says our hearts are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), so we cant trust our feelings unless they line up with, and are based on, the truth of Gods word. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. Ive subscribed to both for several years, so I can tell you thats not the kind of writing they do (though Challies did feature and link to Aimee Byrds review of Fervent in his 12/21/15 A La Carte segment). AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry This was very interesting thanks for putting this out there. You decide. If you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you. 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